Comments on: Matrix and Salvatrix: Sage as Mother and Healer http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html Traditional Western Herbalism with Kiva Rose Fri, 11 May 2012 17:26:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: AarTiana http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-10101 AarTiana Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:13:39 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-10101 Thanks for reposting this on Facebook today, I adore Sage - in fact I think I am going to get a couple of leaves to chew off my plant in the kitchen windowsill right now! :-) Thanks for reposting this on Facebook today, I adore Sage – in fact I think I am going to get a couple of leaves to chew off my plant in the kitchen windowsill right now! :-)

]]> By: Kiva Rose http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-7051 Kiva Rose Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:19:25 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-7051 Hi Hank, thanks for checking out the blog! Salvia apiana is a traditional spice, and the seeds are also a traditional food (as are most N. American Sage seeds).... I do really enjoy it as a spice, used in small to moderate amounts in savory foods, especially game stews (beaver or elk stew with juniper berries and white sage is yum). I also like it in some dressings and occasionally make an infused vinegar with it for use in dressings and marinades. As you said, it is very resinous, and much more numbing/tingly in the mouth than garden sage, with some overtones of black pepper and peppermint. I DO like it as a cooking herb but it is a distinctive taste that definitely needs to be used in moderation for those not accustomed to it. Do let me know about the salami, I hadn't to use it in cured meat, though it's a great idea. Hi Hank, thanks for checking out the blog!

Salvia apiana is a traditional spice, and the seeds are also a traditional food (as are most N. American Sage seeds)…. I do really enjoy it as a spice, used in small to moderate amounts in savory foods, especially game stews (beaver or elk stew with juniper berries and white sage is yum). I also like it in some dressings and occasionally make an infused vinegar with it for use in dressings and marinades.

As you said, it is very resinous, and much more numbing/tingly in the mouth than garden sage, with some overtones of black pepper and peppermint. I DO like it as a cooking herb but it is a distinctive taste that definitely needs to be used in moderation for those not accustomed to it.

Do let me know about the salami, I hadn’t to use it in cured meat, though it’s a great idea.

]]> By: Hank http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-7007 Hank Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:11:54 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-7007 Hey there, Do you ever cook with CA white sage? I gathered some the other day and dried it -- REALLY resinous stuff. Smells wonderful, though, so I added a bit to a dry-cured salami I made. (It's not ready yet, but I'll let you know if it's good). I know people burn it, but how useful is it as a cooking herb? Hey there,

Do you ever cook with CA white sage? I gathered some the other day and dried it — REALLY resinous stuff. Smells wonderful, though, so I added a bit to a dry-cured salami I made. (It’s not ready yet, but I’ll let you know if it’s good).

I know people burn it, but how useful is it as a cooking herb?

]]> By: Jane-Singing Deer http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6873 Jane-Singing Deer Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:40:34 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6873 Sage has been an anchor in my herbal infusion repertoire this past year, during a time of fierce transition that that threatened to topple me into mountains of anxiety and crevices of depression. I understand more fully why I created nettle-and-sage infusions, sometimes mingled with peppermint ... and drank with such deep gratitude for my herbal friends. Thank you for this expressive, full, bountiful, and informative post on Sage! Blessings and Beauty, Jane Sage has been an anchor in my herbal infusion repertoire this past year, during a time of fierce transition that that threatened to topple me into mountains of anxiety and crevices of depression. I understand more fully why I created nettle-and-sage infusions, sometimes mingled with peppermint … and drank with such deep gratitude for my herbal friends. Thank you for this expressive, full, bountiful, and informative post on Sage!

Blessings and Beauty,
Jane

]]> By: Mieke http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6479 Mieke Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:48:23 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6479 "The scent of Sage has always had comforting connotations for me." I know this feeling so well. I have had a dried sage leaf in my wallet for years just for the comforting smell. Touching sage gives me a strange feeling of being connected to the earth, can't explain it but that's what it does to me. “The scent of Sage has always had comforting connotations for me.” I know this feeling so well. I have had a dried sage leaf in my wallet for years just for the comforting smell. Touching sage gives me a strange feeling of being connected to the earth, can’t explain it but that’s what it does to me.

]]> By: Yummy http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6453 Yummy Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:59:03 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6453 Wow! What a great article! You are a fountain of information! I have several native CA sage species growing in my garden - they have really grown enormous with absolutely no watering, which is great here in the drought areas. It's nice to know these plants have so many uses other than being a lovely haven for birds and insects. Oh - and making my cat's fur smell so nice after he has been sleeping in the bushes! :) Wow! What a great article! You are a fountain of information!
I have several native CA sage species growing in my garden – they have really grown enormous with absolutely no watering, which is great here in the drought areas.
It’s nice to know these plants have so many uses other than being a lovely haven for birds and insects. Oh – and making my cat’s fur smell so nice after he has been sleeping in the bushes! :)

]]> By: Hethir http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6427 Hethir Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:31:01 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6427 Beautiful pictures and article. Thanks :) Beautiful pictures and article. Thanks :)

]]> By: Kiva Rose http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6426 Kiva Rose Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:21:41 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6426 Siobhan... I don't think this is an issue taken in the small doses recommended, esp if taken as tea which is not nearly as efficient at pulling out EOs as tincturing... My experience tends to indicate you'd have to be taking large doses over a long period of it to build up much. I tend to use sage in a beverage tea or in 1-12 drop doses at a time, and so far, I've never had any issues that way. Even Moore only says: "The tea creates no problems, but the tincture, with more efficient extraction of resins and oils, could supply enough thujone to cause distress in a delicate pregnancy." and his tincture doses are 30-60 drops at a time. I would advise far more caution if using the essential oil though, whether internally or externally. Siobhan… I don’t think this is an issue taken in the small doses recommended, esp if taken as tea which is not nearly as efficient at pulling out EOs as tincturing… My experience tends to indicate you’d have to be taking large doses over a long period of it to build up much. I tend to use sage in a beverage tea or in 1-12 drop doses at a time, and so far, I’ve never had any issues that way. Even Moore only says: “The tea creates no problems, but the tincture, with more efficient extraction of resins and oils, could supply enough thujone to cause distress in a delicate pregnancy.” and his tincture doses are 30-60 drops at a time.

I would advise far more caution if using the essential oil though, whether internally or externally.

]]> By: Siobhan http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6423 Siobhan Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:55:54 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6423 I have read that while sage is very good for menopausal hot flashes the essential oils build up in the kidneys if taken over an extended period. For this reason I have not used it for hot flashes but would certainly like to. What do you think of this idea Kiva ? Thank you ! I have read that while sage is very good for menopausal hot flashes the essential oils build up in the kidneys if taken over an extended period. For this reason I have not used it for hot flashes but would certainly like to. What do you think of this idea Kiva ?
Thank you !

]]> By: Kiva Rose http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6418 Kiva Rose Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:21:28 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6418 Lea, I don't think you'll find it sold at all... I believe it's endemic to Arizona, New Mexico and Texas... it's a monsoon dependent annual, so I don't know how it would grow other places. There's a possibility you could find it through a native seeds type place for the SW, but it might be more worthwhile to explore the nervine properties of more widely available Salvias. I know S. lyrata was used in similar way and is more widely distributed and even the Garden Sage works very well, there's many historical references to it being used specifically for shaking, palsy, nervousness, etc., Helena, yes, in fact when I use our native wild sages I always harvest them when they're flowering and tincture the whole flowering/seeding tops. Lea, I don’t think you’ll find it sold at all… I believe it’s endemic to Arizona, New Mexico and Texas… it’s a monsoon dependent annual, so I don’t know how it would grow other places. There’s a possibility you could find it through a native seeds type place for the SW, but it might be more worthwhile to explore the nervine properties of more widely available Salvias. I know S. lyrata was used in similar way and is more widely distributed and even the Garden Sage works very well, there’s many historical references to it being used specifically for shaking, palsy, nervousness, etc.,

Helena, yes, in fact when I use our native wild sages I always harvest them when they’re flowering and tincture the whole flowering/seeding tops.

]]> By: Helena http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6417 Helena Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:49:53 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6417 Kiva, My Sage has already flowered, like the pictures above. Can I tincture / dry the flowers as well? Kiva, My Sage has already flowered, like the pictures above. Can I tincture / dry the flowers as well?

]]> By: Lea http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6416 Lea Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:15:07 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6416 Such good information -- where on earth do you think I could find salvia subincisa seed? Just searched on the internet and nadda. I understand the shaking/vibration -- sometimes when people hold my hand or touch me, they say it feels like electrical energy -- it's not usually seen, only felt. Thank you, look forward to more postings! Such good information — where on earth do you think I could find salvia subincisa seed? Just searched on the internet and nadda. I understand the shaking/vibration — sometimes when people hold my hand or touch me, they say it feels like electrical energy — it’s not usually seen, only felt. Thank you, look forward to more postings!

]]> By: Kiva Rose http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6415 Kiva Rose Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:31:51 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6415 So glad all of you enjoyed the piece, thank you for all your kind words! Wendy, yes, I mean that some herbs can be warm or cool depending on the situation and what's needed... other herbs like this included yarrow, hyssop, mentha spp, artemisia and even prunus virginiana... not all people accept the existence of such a class of herbs, although authors like Jeremy Ross and Matt Wood definitely understand their importance. I also did a whole post on variable temperature herbs here http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=245 Sarah, I often use a mix of Rose flowers and leaves usually with a higher proportion of flowers, but I expect either/and would work. And yes, you can interchange the mallow and marshmallow. Do be aware that if you used marshmallow root with glycerine to make an elixir it will often turn very gummy and thick... not necessarily a bad thing but definitely hard to get into a tincture dropper :) Sidney, yes, Lady in Red is a variety of S. coccinea and a traditional medicine in the Americas (esp. for the Mayans). It does smell kind of funny in a way that turns many people off, unlike most Sages. So glad all of you enjoyed the piece, thank you for all your kind words!

Wendy, yes, I mean that some herbs can be warm or cool depending on the situation and what’s needed… other herbs like this included yarrow, hyssop, mentha spp, artemisia and even prunus virginiana… not all people accept the existence of such a class of herbs, although authors like Jeremy Ross and Matt Wood definitely understand their importance. I also did a whole post on variable temperature herbs here http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=245

Sarah, I often use a mix of Rose flowers and leaves usually with a higher proportion of flowers, but I expect either/and would work. And yes, you can interchange the mallow and marshmallow. Do be aware that if you used marshmallow root with glycerine to make an elixir it will often turn very gummy and thick… not necessarily a bad thing but definitely hard to get into a tincture dropper :)

Sidney, yes, Lady in Red is a variety of S. coccinea and a traditional medicine in the Americas (esp. for the Mayans). It does smell kind of funny in a way that turns many people off, unlike most Sages.

]]> By: Sidney http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6414 Sidney Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:55:30 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6414 Wow, I had no idea that the bedding plant "Lady in Red" was a Sage relative! I have Bergarten Sage in my garden, and it grows beautifully on the Olympic Peninsula; I can take leaves all year long. But nowI will harvest and dry some leaves along with my beloved Hansa roses; and add a few fresh leaves to my rose oil, which is becoming a rose, lavender, yarrow, plantain sage oil. Thank you Kiva, you are lifeblood to those of us who are learning the Old Ways. Wow, I had no idea that the bedding plant “Lady in Red” was a Sage relative! I have Bergarten Sage in my garden, and it grows beautifully on the Olympic Peninsula; I can take leaves all year long. But nowI will harvest and dry some leaves along with my beloved Hansa roses; and add a few fresh leaves to my rose oil, which is becoming a rose, lavender, yarrow, plantain sage oil. Thank you Kiva, you are lifeblood to those of us who are learning the Old Ways.

]]> By: Sarah Head http://bearmedicineherbals.com/matrix-and-salvatrix-sage-as-mother-and-healer.html/comment-page-1#comment-6413 Sarah Head Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:52:46 +0000 http://bearmedicineherbals.com/?p=665#comment-6413 Hi Kiva Wonderful article, as always!. I have been thinking I need to work more closely with sage as I was picking some leaves to dry the other day. When you're making the sage/rose/mallow elixir, do you use rose petals or leaves and mallow petals or leaves and can you interchange mallow for marshmallow? I'm tempted to make some sage brandy when I get home from work tonight. Many thanks for all your help and insights Hi Kiva

Wonderful article, as always!. I have been thinking I need to work more closely with sage as I was picking some leaves to dry the other day. When you’re making the sage/rose/mallow elixir, do you use rose petals or leaves and mallow petals or leaves and can you interchange mallow for marshmallow? I’m tempted to make some sage brandy when I get home from work tonight.

Many thanks for all your help and insights

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